Hypena masurialis in Australia?

I would like to bring to everyone's attention the following discussion regarding the disposition
of Hypena masurialis records listed for Australia. There are 329 observations as of this

This dates from 8 months ago

and furthermore, The Coffs Harbour Butterfly House website removed H. masurialis and lists H. obacerralis

To sum up, Roger Kendrick concludes H. masurialis does not occur in Australia.

It is likely that virtually all of the Australian material so assigned actually refers to Hypena obacerralis

Despite this, I see the persistent use of H. masurialis within iNaturalist and feel the need to bring
the matter to those closest to it by virtue of listing the species within their observations.


If your eyes are already glazing over please skip to the end

    WARNING muddying caveat ensues:

It is not clear whether H. obliquarlis occurs in Australia.

The Australian Faunal Directory maintains H. masurialis. But H. masurialis is a junior synonym of
H. obliqualis ... which IS listed in AFD under Rhynchina. See..

Of R. obliquarlis, there is nothing in BOLD Systems.

However, this Coffs Harbour ref:
depicts three different forms including an examople labeled
Hypena masurialis but may well refer to H. obacerralis.


Suggested course of action within iNaturalist.

1. Stop using H. masurialis as this is clearly inappropriate.

2. Use Hypena sp. if you think we need to approach the
H. obacerralis / Rhynchina (Hypena) obliquarlis conservatively.

3. Opt for H. obacerralis as a relevant placeholder until such time the
taxonomy / identification is further clarified.

4. Reconsider your past identifications of H. masurialis and substitute either (2) or (3).

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Publicado el febrero 8, 2022 05:58 MAÑANA por vicfazio3 vicfazio3


Thanks Vic.
I've re-ID'd all of my own obs and also my past IDs of H. masurialis.
For any interested, an easy way to find your past identifications is to use the link below. You will need to change the number to your own user ID though:
ie "ident_user_id=661392&not_user_id=661392" these two numbers need to be changed to your own user ID number.


Publicado por nicklambert hace alrededor de 2 años

cheers Nick

Publicado por vicfazio3 hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks for the info, @vicfazio3. I changed the name of my former Hypena masurialis

Publicado por dhfischer hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks for the update @vicfazio3, similarly have amended my obs and will amend any IDs I’ve made (thanks for the tip @nicklambert)

Publicado por peregrine80 hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks Vic I am on to mine and will sort them all out.

Publicado por larney hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks @vicfazio3. Have amended my sightings and Matt's.

Publicado por rqy-yong hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks @vicfazio3 Will change any of my sightings.

Publicado por clairecottage hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks Vic, I have amended all my observations.

Publicado por urliup-wildlife-s... hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks @vicfazio3 have changed mine

Publicado por tinnanbar hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks @vicfazio3 - I'll also contact Cathy Byrne who's been working on the AFD to update Lepidoptera and I'll look into what can be done on the LepIndex side (I'm busy trying to get the latest and more easily edited version to feed into Catalogue of Life and GBIF).

FWIW, here is the page where Rhynchina kengkalis ab. obliqualis Warren 1913 was described (or more accurately the English translation of it), along with the associated plate including kengkalis:


And here is the description of Hypena obliqualis Kollar, 1844 - note there is no 'r' after all (aaaaaaaargh!):


Publicado por dhobern hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks very much Victor. I've changed all my H. masurialis to H. obacerralis

Publicado por davidtng hace alrededor de 2 años

Cheers Donald, I was wondering about that spelling.

Publicado por vicfazio3 hace alrededor de 2 años

Where does Rhynchina obliqualis come into the story or is it a seperate species, as inat wants to use this instead oh H.obliqualis

Publicado por tinnanbar hace alrededor de 2 años

@tinnanbar Gary, they are synonymous. I do not know which should take precedent only that iNat normally follows AFD which uses Rhynchina.

Publicado por vicfazio3 hace alrededor de 2 años

Thanks Vic I'll change them to Rhynchina obliquali

Publicado por tinnanbar hace alrededor de 2 años

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