Atención: Cuando confirmes este cambio, las identificaciones serán reasignadas a los taxones de salida basados en sus atlas. Si algunos o todos los resultados carecen de atlas, o si los atlas se superponen para un registro determinado, las identificaciones serán reemplazadas por identificaciones del taxa ancestro más cercano ( Tachycines)

Taxonomic Split 143019 (Borrador)

Tachycines coreana revived from synonymy.
https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-024-06068-x
For observations on iNat only the ones from South Korea should be affected.

[edit: review atlases before committing]

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Añadido por taewoo el mayo 10, 2024 01:47 TARDE
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This split should not have been committed without atlasing the outputs. As a result of not being atlased, preexisting identifications of T. asynamorus worldwide have been bumped all the way back to tribe level, despite the description stating that only South Korean observations should've been affected. (i don't remember how many observations of T. asynamorus there were before this split was committed, but it was a lot—this was the most observed species of camel cricket by far if i remember correctly. Searching for inactive IDs of T. asynamorus, there are 251 pages with 50 IDs each, nearly 5 times more than the number of IDs of the next most observed camel cricket Diestrammena japanica, so even if a decent number of those were no longer active at the time of the split, there were still almost certainly well over a thousand observations affected, and the vast majority of those should've stayed T. asynamorus.) In addition, iNaturalist's orthopteran taxonomy doesn't follow the primary literature directly, but rather Orthoptera Species File, which has not yet incorporated the proposed change; accordingly, even if getting ahead of OSF were judged to be a good idea in this case, at the very least an explicit deviation should be implemented (and there maybe should've been more discussion first, although i may have missed where that took place). On a further note, for unclear reasons, both Tachycines coreanus and Diestrammena coreanus [sic—should be D. coreana as Diestrammena is feminine] are now active in iNat (neither with a deviation), despite these appearing to be two names for the same taxon. T. coreanus and T. asynamorus are sister taxa in the cited phylogeny, so it's unclear to me why D. coreanus was reactivated and included in this split alongside adding T. coreanus separately outside the split (maybe the split was just set up incorrectly in the first place?)—if Tachycines is to be synonymized with Diestrammena (which likewise OSF hasn't done), presumably that would apply to all species, not an odd piecemeal approach as was taken here (with the effect of unnecessarily bumping IDs out of the genus altogether).

Apologies for the bother, but since this split wasn't executed properly and was unnecessarily destructive as a result, since there were several thousand IDs affected, and since it was only just committed today, it would probably be best to revert it through the backend if possible- @loarie @tiwane ?

Publicado por maxkirsch hace 12 días

It looks like the outputs do have atlases. Was this not the case when it was committed?
FYI @taewoo

Publicado por loarie hace 9 días

this was not the case when the split was committed (the atlases appear to have been created or activated on May 11, after the split was already committed). per a comment by @clurarit on this flag, 7000+ observations in North America (and elsewhere outside South Korea) should've remained Tachycines asynamorus.

Publicado por maxkirsch hace 9 días

ok I'll revert. - these large changes like this take about a day and a huge amount of compute resources to make and revert so it would be great to minimize the back and forth in the future. @taewoo - do you understand why this split is being reverted and what to do in the future to make sure atlases are properly set up before committing splits in the future? Thanks

Publicado por loarie hace 9 días

thank you!

Publicado por maxkirsch hace 9 días

I had no idea that taxon split had such a big impact.
I'll try again if I can distinguish between localities.
Thanks

Publicado por taewoo hace 9 días

thanks @taewoo, please ping me before you commit another big split and I'd be happy to review and make sure its doing what you intend

Publicado por loarie hace 9 días

ok this is reverted

Publicado por loarie hace 9 días

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